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What Shocks Russell Moore About Covid Church-State Disputes

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Christianity Today

Religion, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.3622 Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2020

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Transcribed highlights of the show can be found in our episode summaries. Last week, Kansas City mayor Quinton Lucas announced plans for the city’s reopening. Churches are among the institutions that will be allowed to open this month: with one caveat. Any business or establishment that allows people to stay for more than 10 minutes must allow attendees or customers to sign a sheet with all their contact information, to allow for contact tracers to contact them if there was later a COVID-19 outbreak at the establishment.The conservative Christian law firm Liberty Counsel compared Kansas City’s actions those of Nazi Germany. “The Germans did this very thing to Jews – collecting the names and locations of all known synagogue attendees - in the early days of the Nazi regime,” Founder and Chairman Mat Staver wrote in a fundraising appeal. “Never in our wildest dreams could we have imagined Nazi-like measures designed to surveil, track and spy upon what was once a FREE American people. Yet that is exactly what Kansas City’s misguided government officials are now demanding.” Kansas City mishandled this situation, says Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the Southern Baptist Convention’s policy arm. “I have almost no doubt that this was taking place due to very well-intentioned people, but there's a reason why that raises a sense of alarm in all kinds of people–and not just the conspiracy theory, propagating people who are complaining about having to wear masks in the grocery store,” he said. “...I think governments, even when they're well-intentioned, have to think through what are the implications going to be, how can somebody use this policy I'm putting into place in another time and for another reason, and how am I communicating it?” Moore joined digital media producer Morgan Lee and editorial director Ted Olsen to discuss how COVID-19 may shape religious freedom battles in the future, where churches should look for wisdom and guidance as they reopen, and what he finds surprising about how congregations have responded to social distancing. What is Quick to Listen? Read more Rate Quick to Listen on Apple Podcasts Follow the podcast on Twitter Follow our hosts on Twitter: Morgan Lee and Ted Olsen Follow our guest on Twitter: Russell Moore Music by Sweeps Quick to Listen is produced by Morgan Lee and Matt Linder The transcript is edited by Bunmi Ishola Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This episode of Quick to Listen is brought to you in part by Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Company,

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a ministry-focused insurance provider serving Christian churches, schools, and related ministries.

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For more information, visit brotherhoodmutual.com.

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Last week, Kansas City Mayor Quentin Lucas announced plans for the city's reopening.

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Churches are among the institutions that will be allowed to open this month with one caveat. Any business or establishment that allows

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people to stay for more than 10 minutes must require that attendees or customers sign a sheet

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with all their contact information to allow contact tracers to be in touch with them

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if there's later a COVID-19 outbreak at this establishment.

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Informing people that they've been exposed to the novel coronavirus is one of the key components

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of contact tracing.

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The conservative Christian law firm, Liberty Council, compared Kansas City's actions with Nazi Germany.

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Now I'm going to read from this.

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The Germans did this very thing to Jews, collecting the names and locations of all-known synagogue attendees in the early days of the Nazi regime.

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Founder and chairman Matt Staber wrote in a fundraising appeal.

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Never in our wildest dreams could we

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have imagined Nazi-like measures designed to surveil, track and spy upon what was once a free

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American people. Yet this is exactly what Kansas City's misguided government officials are now

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demanding. A number of pastors and churches have argued against measures taken by state and local governments as infringements on their religious liberty.

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We wanted to discuss if contact tracing will spark the next battle and also get a larger sense of how COVID-19 will change the shape of religious liberty fights.

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You're listening to Quick to Listen, where we go be on hashtags and hot takes discuss a major cultural event.

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I'm Morgan Lee, digital media producer here at Christianity Today.

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And I'm Ted Olson, editorial director at Christianity today.

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