This is the outside podcast with Paddyo.

But what are you feeling physically, emotionally, spiritually, when your ski tips are just about to drop in to one of these straight up and down lines.

There's this kind of friction always between courage and fear. I can drop into a line and feel a lot of

fear, but I'm still going to engage with it. I'm still going to find that movement that drops me into the next turn or the

next series of movements to get me down this thing. And then other times the courage is like

finding it more space and there's there's more freedom to feel light and enjoy that movement,

even though like the terrain could equally have the same risk or consequence.

It's not something I can really explain, like, how some days you don't feel fear and some

days you do. Like, I think it's just this emotional interaction with life. But those two things

are, like, kind of always at battle. You're rationalizing a series of calculated decisions. By doing that, you're removing uncertainty,

which I think also kind of like pushes fear to the corner

and allows you to kind of set that courage free.

Where else have you felt that?

Or is it only available on top of the scariest mountains in the world?

I mean, maybe asking a boy out.

You ever notice that when you're camping, you tend to set your tent and chairs up in a way that backs up to something

solid while facing out toward an expanse.

It turns out your brain's wired to do that, and not just because it's looking for the best

framing of your next Instagram post.

Evolutionary psychologists call this prospect and refuge, and it's rooted in our hunter-gatherer

past when bedding down required both the

security of a natural structure and the ability to have a clear view of potential food and

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