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Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

What’s wrong with the centre of government – and how can we fix it?

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Politics, Government

4.6252 Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2024

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

A weak No.10 Downing Street compulsively micro-manages. The Cabinet Office is bloated and unwieldy. The Treasury dominates decision-making. And prime ministers often find that the levers of power aren’t working. So what is going wrong with the centre of government? What can be done to fix it? And, as a general election approaches, what difference would a re-designed centre mean for either Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer? A new Institute for Government report – the result of a year-long commission on the centre of government – has examined the problem and come up with some radical recommendations for reform. The report was launched was this week, at an event featuring two former prime ministers: Sir John Major and Gordon Brown. So on this special edition of Inside Briefing, the IfG team – with special guest Sally Morgan, Tony Blair’s former political secretary – take a deep dive into the heart of government. Hannah White presents, with Alex Thomas and Jordan Urban. Produced by Candice McKenzie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute of the Government.

0:14.9

I'm Hannah White, the director of the Institute and chair of our recently concluded commission

0:19.2

on the centre of government. Number 10, Downing Street

0:22.1

is underpowered, but compulsively micromanages across government. The cabinet office is bloated, unwieldy,

0:28.1

and uncertain of its purpose. The Prime Minister has become the undisputed executive leader of the

0:33.6

government, but they're not given the tools to set and maintain an overall strategy for the government to follow.

0:39.4

The powerful treasury steps into the vacuum that creates and sets its own de facto strategy by allocating money according to its own fiscal logic.

0:47.4

All this means that the centre of government's not capable of meeting the challenges facing the UK in the vital years to come.

0:53.3

These are the stark conclusions of a brand new Institute for Government Report,

0:57.1

one which we launched this Monday, in front of an audience packed with ministers,

1:01.0

representatives from the Labour Party serving civil servants, former permanent secretaries,

1:04.8

and representatives of business and civil society.

1:07.5

John Major and Gordon Brown shared a stage, something we don't see too often, and agreed

1:11.8

with much of what our report had to say, but more on that later, because this edition of

1:16.4

inside briefing is going to take a deep dive into the problems identified in our report

1:20.2

and our recommendations for change. It's the result of a year-long commission into the centre

1:24.8

of government, and I'm delighted that some of the core team behind the commission's work are here with me today. Joining us is Baroness Sally Morgan,

1:33.4

formerly Tony Blair's political secretary and director of government relations, and one of the

1:37.1

16 commissioners who supported our work over the past year. Hi, Sally. Morning. And I'm joined by

1:42.7

Alex Thomas and Jordan Urban, two IFG colleagues who've been

1:45.8

running the commission, doing all the research, interviewing hundreds of people with

1:49.1

experience of the centre and writing the final report. Hi, both. Hi, Hannah. Hi, Hannah. So let's

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