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Plain English with Derek Thompson

What’s So Great About Marriage?

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2023

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Since the 1970s, the General Social Survey has asked thousands of Americans the same question: “Taken all together, how would you say things are these days—would you say that you are very happy, pretty happy, or not too happy?” In the past few decades, our well-being seemed to take a nosedive. According to researchers, the decline of marriage seems to be the single most important explanation. Why is marriage the best predictor of happiness in America? Does marriage turn unhappy people into happy people? Are happier people just more likely to get married? Or is something more complicated happening? We welcome back Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz, the director and associate director of Harvard Study of Adult Development, the longest-running study of adult happiness ever conducted and the authors of the book 'The Good Life,' to discuss. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guests: Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:22.0

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0:27.2

Today's episode is about happiness in America, and evidence that Americans today are

0:33.3

significantly less happy than they used to be. So since the 1970s, the general social survey has

0:40.1

asked thousands of Americans the same question. And that question is, quote, take it all together.

0:46.6

How would you say things are these days? Would you say you are very happy, pretty happy, or not

0:52.1

too happy? End quote. And in the last decades of the 20th century, America's overall well-being

0:58.2

seemed to barely budge. We were just sort of bouncing along. But since 2000, happiness in America

1:05.2

took a clear and dramatic dive. There's a new paper by the University of Chicago economist Sam

1:11.7

Peltzmann that dug into this GSS data to pull out a couple of tantalizing threads, each of which I

1:17.7

think could be their own podcast episode in and of themselves. So for example, Peltzmann's found

1:23.8

that in the 1970s, women were significantly happier than men. But female happiness has declined

1:31.9

every decade since the 1970s, such that now both genders have for the first time on record

1:40.0

the same level of happiness. That alone could be its own extremely interesting episode. What happened

1:46.9

to female happiness in America? Here's another example from his paper. He found that income

1:53.2

plays a huge role in well-being. Every year, the richer happier in the middle class, the middle class

1:58.3

are happier than the poor. He also found that race matters, but not as much as it used to. White

2:03.7

Americans have consistently reported more happiness than black Americans. But since 1970, and especially

2:10.4

since 2000, happiness has dramatically increased among black Americans even as it's moderately declined

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