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🗓️ 11 April 2024
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Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly vowed to “eliminate” Hamas but after six months of death and destruction in Gaza what do we know about their status?
David Aaronovitch talks to:
Jennifer Jefferis, Teaching Professor at Georgetown University's Security Studies program and author of Hamas: Terrorism, Governance, and its Future in Middle East Politics.
Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence studies and Specialist Advisor to the Joint Committee on the National Security Strategy.
Khalil Shikaki, Director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research
Gershon Baskin, Middle East Director, International Communities Organization and a former Israeli negotiator with Hamas
Production team: Sally Abrahams, Kirsteen Knight and Ben Carter Editor: Richard Vadon Production Co-ordinator: Ibtisam Zein Sound engineer: Rod Farquhar
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0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
0:09.2 | Right now, almost all attention in the Gaza conflict |
0:12.3 | is focused on big decisions to be taken in Jerusalem or Tehran. |
0:17.2 | But it all began six months ago when Hamas launched its attack on Israel. |
0:22.0 | And sometimes the organisation seems like Macavity the Cat. |
0:25.6 | Hamas spokespeople don't speak. |
0:27.8 | Its losses aren't given in the Gaza casualty figures. |
0:31.0 | And few in Gaza ever seem to have seen its fighters. |
0:34.8 | What happens when we bring it back into the spotlight? And what do we know about |
0:39.2 | the state of Hamas half a year into this bloody war? Step inside the briefing room and together |
0:44.7 | we'll find out. First, what have we learned more recently about Hamas's planning and intentions for the October 7th attack and its calculations about what would happen afterwards? |
1:01.0 | Jennifer Jeffries is a teaching professor at Georgetown University's Security Studies Programme, an author of Hamas, Terrorism, Governance and its future in Middle East politics. |
1:12.4 | Jennifer Jeffries, what have we learned in the last six months about the October 7th attack? |
1:18.4 | So I would say there's three main things. First, Hamas was more military capable than I think we |
1:24.5 | previously believed. They conducted a full-scale military operation on |
1:29.1 | October 7. They planned it, they practiced it, and they executed it with devastating results. |
1:35.0 | Second, then I would say, Hamas is more open to pragmatic collaboration than I had previously |
1:40.3 | understood. We now know that for years, they'd been running military like training |
1:45.1 | exercises with numerous other armed groups in Gaza. And these groups were spread across the |
1:50.9 | ideological spectrum. Looking at how Hamas had accepted money from Iran in the past, but then was |
1:56.4 | prepared to give up that source of funding when they faced ideological differences or how they'd |
2:01.7 | repeatedly dabbled in the idea of unity governments with Fatal only to pull out at the last |
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