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What's behind Trump's crackdown on universities β€” and why it matters

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Summary

The Trump administration has thrown so many curveballs at colleges and universities, it can be hard to keep track. But there's logic behind the many efforts, from cutting research grants to detaining international students involved in activism.

NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with White House correspondent Danielle Kurtzleben and education correspondent Elissa Nadworny about what's at stake in the federal government's multi-pronged assault on higher education and what the administration hopes to accomplish.

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0:00.0

The Trump administration has thrown so many curveballs at colleges and universities, it can be hard to keep track.

0:07.1

To start, they've already cut more than $10 billion in research grants.

0:12.1

That could affect the future of everything from medicine to personal tech, says NYU Business School professor Sabrina Howell.

0:18.6

We would not have iPhones if universities like MIT that are federally government funded hadn't

0:24.8

worked on lasers.

0:26.7

Then there are the arrests of international students.

0:30.1

Federal agents have locked up student activists and revoked their visas.

0:34.4

Even those who have not been targeted say they're living in fear. Like T, a graduate

0:39.0

student at Columbia, she asked that we only use her first initial because she's worried about

0:43.7

being detained. Every time I leave my house, I'm like emotionally and mentally preparing myself

0:50.3

for detention. So any man on the street or any, like, white or black van spark some sort of panic within me.

1:01.3

The administration has also made sweeping demands, like requiring government oversight of certain

1:07.0

college departments. Ted Mitchell is president of the American Council on Education,

1:11.8

which represents most colleges in the U.S. Without the independence to be able to create and produce

1:18.6

a wide-ranging academic program, we lose academic freedom. And just this week, the administration

1:25.6

said it intends to severely restrict some foreign

1:29.0

students from enrolling.

1:30.6

We have people want to go to Harvard and other schools.

1:32.8

They can't get in because we have foreign students there.

1:36.3

But I want to make sure that the foreign students are people that can love our country.

1:41.2

Harvard is one of the schools pushing back against the White House. University

1:44.4

President Alan Garber recently told NPR it's hard to see the logic in the government's

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