What Republicans, Democrats, and the Pentagon don’t want to hear about the NDAA

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🗓️ 28 July 2023

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This week, the action in the Senate was all about the annual defense authorization – the NDAA. Usually, the argument about what goes into this enormous bill that governs everything the military can and can’t do is a word soup cooked-up by defense nerds. You may recall things like SDI, the GWOT, and closing GITMO. All controversial in their own day, and all eventually resolved through the historically bipartisan NDAA process. But this time around, many in Washington are beginning to wonder if a new set of acronyms is fatally imperiling our armed forces. Issues like DEI, CRT, and abortion may be sinking a bill that has never failed to pass in more than 60 years. It’s setting up a dramatic clash between the House and Senate. On one side, a partisan bill loaded with controversial amendments. On the other, a bipartisan one without all the baggage. Meanwhile in the background, a separate drama is still playing out: that of Sen. Tommy Tuberville’s (R-Ala.) beef with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin over abortion policy. The combination of these two events has been more than enough to make lawmakers, lobbyists, and service members alike begin to wonder: Is this the year that the NDAA fails? Will this last sacred piece of bipartisanship in Congress succumb to the divisive forces that have sunk many before? Joining the show to discuss the prognosis for this year’s NDAA and the perils of this stand off is a man who knows what it’s like to write one of these bills. Because he has. Many times before. Arnold Punaro is a former staff director at the Senate Armed Services Committee and a retired two-star general. And if you’re a senator involved in national security issues, he’s probably also the guy you call for advice. Playbook co-author and Deep Dive host Ryan Lizza spoke with him about what the big challenge facing the military is — spoiler, it's not abortion policy; how – or if – Congress has perverted its oversight role of the Pentagon; what, if any, of the right’s objections to military “wokeness” are grounded in facts; and if an NDAA will pass this year at all.

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0:00.0	I've been to a couple of awards.
0:07.9	I understand what it means to lead troops at combat, and you don't want Ricky's doing
0:11.8	it.
0:12.8	And so, unfortunately, it's very hard to get that across to somebody like Senator Tuberville
0:17.1	that's never hurt a shot fired an anger and never served in the military.
0:20.9	This week, the action in the Senate was all about the annual defense authorization, the
0:26.3	NDAA.
0:27.8	Usually, the argument about what goes into this enormous bill that governs everything
0:32.7	the military can and can't do is a word soup cooked up by defense nerds.
0:38.8	You may recall things like SDI, the GWAT, and closing Gitmo, all controversial in their
0:45.9	own day, and all eventually resolved through the historically bipartisan NDAA process.
0:53.9	At this time around, many in Washington are beginning to wonder if a new set of acronyms
0:59.5	is fatally imperiling our armed forces.
1:03.9	Issues like DEI, CRT, and, well, abortion may be sinking a bill that has never failed
1:12.0	to pass in 60 years.
1:16.0	It's setting up a dramatic clash.
1:18.3	In the House, the Armed Services Committee voted its version of the bill out of committee
1:22.5	by account of 58 to 1, but by the time hardline conservatives finished loading it up with
1:28.3	controversial amendments, it passed by a measly 9-vote margin.
1:33.0	In the Senate, Democrats led by Chuck Schumer passed their version of the bill on Thursday
1:37.4	night.
1:38.4	It had bipartisan support and wasn't loaded up with the social policy amendments that
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