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WHAT PEARL HARBOR WROUGHT 1192 DAYS LATER: 4/8: Black Snow: Curtis LeMay, the Firebombing of Tokyo, and the Road to the Atomic Bomb by James M. Scott

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2024

⏱️ 7 minutes

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WHAT PEARL HARBOR WROUGHT 1192 DAYS LATER:  4/8: Black Snow: Curtis LeMay, the Firebombing of Tokyo, and the Road to the Atomic Bomb by  James M. Scott 

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Snow-Curtis-Firebombing-Atomic/dp/1324002999/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1X64JYW3Z1OT9&keywords=BLACK+SNOW+JAMES+SCOTT&qid=1674137497&s=books&sprefix=black+snow+james+scott%2Cstripbooks%2C61&sr=1-1

Seven minutes past midnight on March 10, 1945, nearly 300 American B-29s thundered into the skies over Tokyo. Their payloads of incendiaries ignited a firestorm that reached up to 2,800 degrees, liquefying asphalt and vaporizing thousands; sixteen square miles of the city were flattened and more than 100,000 men, women, and children were killed.

Black Snow is the story of this devastating operation, orchestrated by Major General Curtis LeMay, who famously remarked: “If we lose the war, we’ll be tried as war criminals.” James M. Scott reconstructs in granular detail that horrific night, and describes the development of the B-29, the capture of the Marianas for use as airfields, and the change in strategy from high-altitude daylight “precision” bombing to low-altitude nighttime incendiary bombing. Most importantly, the raid represented a significant moral shift for America, marking the first time commanders deliberately targeted civilians which helped pave the way for the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki five months later.

Drawing on first-person interviews with American pilots and bombardiers and Japanese survivors, air force archives, and oral histories never before published in English, Scott delivers a harrowing and gripping account, and his most important and compelling work to date.

1945 B-29

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0:00.0

James Scott is the author. Curtis LeMay is not satisfied and believes he will also be fired, as Hansel was, by Hap Arnold, because the strategic bombing is not improving.

0:11.7

The B-29s are not in any way surprising the Japanese. The Japanese are demonstrating that though they're blockaded, though they're losing, they're going to fight to the last.

0:22.6

They will not surrender. What is to be done?

0:25.5

LeMay, I picture him lying in his Quentin Hunt, looking at the ceiling.

0:30.1

Do we know exactly what it was, or is it him pondering Dresden and the news from Dresden?

0:37.6

Did that do it, James?

0:39.5

You know, actually, Lame, it probably begins even earlier than that because Lamee had looked at the results of the July 1943 firebombing of Hamburg, which was actually more destructive than Dresden.

0:50.4

Everybody knows of Dresden today.

0:52.3

In February 45 was Dresden, so it's about this period.

0:56.0

Yes, so Dresden is February 45.

0:58.0

Hamburg burns in the summer of 43, and Lame was in Europe then, and he studied the after-action

1:04.0

results of that.

1:05.0

So he knew what fire could do to a city.

1:08.0

And you're right, Lame spent much of his time thinking at night.

1:11.5

In fact, if you read his personal letters home, he's always writing about his lack of sleep,

1:16.7

because he's literally up all night thinking, trying to figure out how to do this. And so that

1:21.5

that's when he kind of comes to the realization that what Hansel was doing, high altitude,

1:27.3

daylight precision bombing, it's simply

1:29.3

not going to work. And if he's going to attack, successfully attack Japanese cities, he's going to have

1:35.5

to have a radical rethinking of American strategy. And he ultimately settles on a plan that is,

1:42.1

you know, it's so perilous, it's so morally fraught that he

1:46.3

decides he's not going to tell anybody about it. He's going to put this operation together

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