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What Next | Will Gaza’s Ceasefire Last?

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🗓️ 27 February 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

The ceasefire between Hamas and Israel has held since January 19. Now, the second phase—negotiating Gaza’s future—is supposed to begin. But anger over the deaths of hostages and intrusions into the West Bank aren’t going to make it easy. Guest: Yair Rosenberg, staff writer at The Atlantic and author of Deep Shtetl, a newsletter about the intersection of politics, culture, and religion.  Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Since the January 19th ceasefire began, week after week, Israelis have been sharing these videos,

0:59.3

videos of hostages coming home.

1:05.5

There are hostages blowing kisses to onlookers, making those hard hands, running to hug their parents and loved ones.

1:18.6

But Yeira Rosenberg, over at the Atlantic, he says, getting hostages to these emotional reunions,

1:38.6

it's involved a grim routine.

1:44.4

In the case of Hamas releasing Israeli prisoners, they've been doing a sort of macab

1:50.4

public humiliation rituals involving the hostages.

1:53.3

And they put these hostages on stage, and they often make them perform in different ways.

1:57.5

They instructed one hostage to kiss his captor, right, for the cameras. They had one hostage, like, speak about looking forward to being reunited with his family when Hamas, no full well, that they'd kill this family on October 7th. He just didn't know.

2:11.4

My understanding is that Israelis, too, have put some Palestinian prisoners in T-shirts with Stars of David, things like that, too.

2:21.0

So...

2:22.1

Yeah, so in response, after like weeks of this stuff, the Israeli prison service released one trench of the prisoners with t-shirts that said, like, we'll never forget.

2:33.0

You know, a message sending back to wherever

2:34.9

they were sending these prisoners. It's a small miracle that this ceasefire has held for six

2:41.7

whole weeks. In theory, these tense exchanges are only the first phase. Phase two involves

2:49.9

Israel and Hamas hammering out what a permanent agreement could look like.

2:54.3

It's supposed to begin this weekend.

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