So Connie, there I was, on the planet far, far away.

Really, Trevor?

Ground was so soft, so squishy.

Must have been zero gravity.

Maybe you were just on a memory foam mattress.

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Farah, I'm sort of curious.

In Donald Trump's America, is DEI now a bad word?

Oh, I think there's plenty of people right now who are describing it off their resume.

Absolutely.

Farah Stockman is a member of the editorial board at the New York Times.

And over the last few years, she's made herself into something of an expert on diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Last week, of course,

President Trump issued a pair of executive orders laying out his plan to dismantle DEI, both in and outside of government. Farah, I figured, could explain just how much history was getting unraveled here.

Donald Trump went all the way back to LBJ.

He went all the way back to the executive order that Lyndon B. Johnson signed in the 1960s

to say, hey, maybe we should not discriminate against black people.

That is an order that went away, too.

And so, yeah, it's bad.

The really striking thing about all this, DeFera, is that it was just four years back that President Biden was issuing his own day one executive orders, folding diversity, equity,

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