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What Next | The Arts of the Deal

Slate Culture

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Arts, Tv & Film, Music

4.42K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

How Donald Trump is attempting to shape the arts to his own liking, from installing himself as head of the Kennedy Center to canceling grants from the National Endowment for the Arts, throwing organizations and projects of all sizes into uncertainty and chaos. Guests: Alisa Solomon, director of the Arts & Culture concentration at the Columbia Journalism School Katy Waldman, staff writer for the New Yorker.   Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Isabel Angell, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

This week, when you click on Netflix, you can see an hour and a half window into Washington's political transformation.

0:14.1

Or that's what the streaming service would like you to believe.

0:19.0

Netflix is broadcasting the ceremony for the Kennedy Center's Mark Twain Prize for American

0:24.8

Humor.

0:26.0

This year it was Conan O'Brien getting honored.

0:29.5

And the event was recorded just a few weeks after President Trump appointed himself as the

0:35.5

chairman of the Kennedy Center's board.

0:39.0

It casts something of appal over the whole night.

0:41.9

Like, here's how Triumph the Insult Comic Dog started the evening.

0:47.8

Thank you all for coming.

0:49.9

And shame on you for being here.

0:53.2

That should cover it, yes.

0:55.6

I wanted to know how all these jokes landed.

0:59.3

So I called up Katie Waldman from the New Yorker.

1:03.1

She was in the audience.

1:04.9

I was reporting on the broader takeover of the center.

1:09.0

And so I just kind of wanted to see what would happen.

1:11.1

I also sort of thought that, oh, Conan O'Brien, he's definitely going to pull out. He has so much

1:15.7

capital and goodwill because of the Oscars. So you were surprised he showed up.

1:20.5

Yeah, yeah. Katie says, this broadcast does not exactly skewer our political moment.

1:27.7

Part of the problem, she says, is Conan himself.

1:30.8

His humor is so self-deprecating that it's impossible to see him as the animating force

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