I'm going to go ahead and assume that if you are listening to this show, you are aware of President Trump and Elon Musk's little posting war.

Trump said Elon was wearing thin. Elon said Trump would have lost the election without him. The Epstein files were invoked. It got middle school messy. But even before the online

flaming, McKenna Kelly knew that all was not well in this particular bromance. We'd been hearing,

you know, about some tension between Stephen Miller and Elon Musk, and I think something was happening, but I don't

think anyone expected it to blow up the way it did.

It kind of covers Doge for Wired.

But I guess now looking back on it, of course, this relationship ends with both of these

billionaires tweeting at each other from their own personal platforms.

All of that came after this press conference where the president said, well, Elon will be

stepping back and then said, well, actually he'll stay around. And there was just all this

back and forth about whether he was going, whether his

lieutenants were leaving. And I feel like a lot of that may have obscured the story about

what was happening behind the scenes and what is happening within Doge. Based on your reporting, is Doge here to stay?

Yeah, I think Doge is here to stay.

That same week that Elon was saying, you know, that he finally announced that he was going to step back.

He had that meeting with Trump, like you mentioned, and got the key to the White House.

That same week, I did some reporting and some of the young engineers that Elon brought with him, Luke Ferreter, for example, the guy who used AI to read ancient scrolls, and then Edward Corristine, who famously goes by Big Balls.

On May 31st, they were made full-time employees. And you could read that as a small

hiring detail, or you could read it as what it is, a recognition that Doge is no longer Elon Musk's

guerrilla project to slash the government. As OMB director Russell Vote told Congress last week, Doge is becoming institutionalized.

It's just going to become a presence at these agencies, at least, you know, for the next few months and maybe the entire administration.

Today on the show, Doge is here to stay.

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