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What Next | How Elon Musk Colonized NASA

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🗓️ 31 July 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

How an Obama-era decision to invest in space capitalism handed Elon Musk a monopoly on space.  Guest:  Franklin Foer, staff writer at the Atlantic, author of “The Last Politician” and “World Without Mind: The Existential Threat of Big Tech.” Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Do you know where Elon Musk got his name?

0:41.0

I mean, he got it from his parents, obviously.

0:43.5

But then there's the Elon lore.

0:48.0

Elon is a family name, but there's this other backstory.

0:52.8

His father talks about it.

0:54.5

It's taken on the significance, almost as a matter of myth.

0:59.0

Franklin Four, from over the Atlantic, he knows this myth well.

1:03.1

And because we're talking about Elon Musk, the myth involves a Nazi and a sci-fi novel.

1:09.2

The Nazi was Werner von Braun. He's been described as the father of space travel.

1:14.6

Von Braun, as a genius, had many talents. Writing novels was not one of them, but he did write a novel called Project Mars, which was science fiction that tried to anticipate what life would be like if we ever had the

1:30.3

opportunity as a species to colonize the red planet.

1:34.3

And he goes really deep into the weeds of this and he starts to imagine what a government

1:39.3

on Mars would look like and it would be a technocracy and it would be ultimately ruled by a benevolent

1:49.3

dictator. This sounds like Elon Musk's dream. Well, as it happens, Werner von Braun had a name

1:57.8

for the beneficent dictator of Mars, and it was the Elon.

2:05.1

Whether Elon was named after the Elon or not, he can see the appeal of this story for a guy like

2:12.4

Musk. He sees himself as the Elon of Mars, doesn't he? Yeah, that's his dream.

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