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What Next: America’s Rich History of Gun Control

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🗓️ 3 May 2023

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

When the Supreme Court struck down New York’s concealed carry law last year, it set a precedent that gun control laws should be judged against “historical tradition.” But judged against actual American history, it’s the on-going repeal of gun control laws that’s an anomaly. Guest: Robert J Spitzer, professor emeritus at SUNY Cortland, author of The Gun Dilemma. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Amicus—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Before Robert Spitzer grew up to be an expert on American gun policy, he watched a lot

0:20.4

of westerns. He was raised on cowboy movies and cowboy TV shows and gunslinging and all

0:27.4

of the rest. We'd all be much better off if there wasn't a single gun left in this

0:31.6

valley. A gun is as good or bad as a man using it.

0:35.6

He was raised on stories of an America built by rugged men with six shooters on their

0:41.5

hips. Even though that image was mostly made up, Gary Cooper was a great actor and

0:53.9

high-noon, great, great movie, but you know, was that typical of the West? Well, no.

1:03.9

Robert has written five books about gun policy in the U.S. and he says that in the actual

1:09.3

Wild West, gun laws were strict. They didn't want people walking around their new town

1:16.6

with a gun strap to their hip. So if you came to town, you'd have to check your gun at

1:21.1

the town hall or the sheriff's office or the clerk's office or someplace.

1:25.9

So all of those western movies and television shows have been both getting in gun fights

1:31.4

and that's largely fiction. You know, I'm still drawn into those old stories, but that

1:36.6

was not typical at all.

1:43.3

Unfortunately, mass shootings have become all too typical. Recent tragedies like the Covenant

1:49.4

School Shooting in Tennessee, two separate shootings in Louisville, Kentucky and the shooting

1:54.7

at a birthday party in Deidville, Alabama have prompted fresh calls for gun reform, though

2:00.7

it's unclear how much will come of them.

2:03.6

But America's gun policy history seems to be more important to many courts than the present.

2:10.4

Last summer, the Supreme Court struck down a New York State concealed carry law because

2:15.8

in the view of the Court's majority, it went against the original intent of the Second

2:20.9

Amendment. That ruling set a precedent that all gun laws should be judged against, quote,

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