Welcome to the audible presented by Trader Joe's. I'm Stuart Mandel joined as always by Bruce Feldman in the midst of a

very packed media day week the last one I believe of talking season.

You are coming to us from Indianapolis where you are at Big Ten Media Days.

ACC Media Days in Charlotte started a day earlier.

And I think given the drama that's just kind of like

for any le hovering over that conference right now,

maybe we should start with our good friend,

the Commissioner Jim Phillips.

So obviously a lot of focus on Florida State and Clemson

and the lawsuits.

And, you know, he was up there to defend the conference they were going to fight all of that but I think

Having been at big 12 and heard Brett York

It seems like both of them, the Big 12 and ACC, are now in a bit of a PR war about who is the third best conference.

Your Mark said over and over again, we're one of the three best conferences.

And Jim Phillips said, we are not chasing third by any metric of significance,

CFP appearances, national championships, having our own network,

revenue generation academic prowess, I'm comfortable where the ACC is, inside that top three.

So I figured we could talk it out, Bruce, Big 12 or ACC, who you got?

Good questions, Stu.

I feel like the big 12 has more parity.

Anybody, you know, we said this on the podcast a few weeks ago. is has more parity.

Anybody, you know, we said this on the podcast a few weeks ago when we're down there,

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