Hi, this is Julie S. Arse, Criket contributor, author of someone like me and all the other amazing

books I've told you guys about. I am coming to you from the Big Crooked Studio. This is

a very big deal, cricket conversation from the Big Crooked Studio. And I think it's

only right that we are in the studio because this is a very important conversation about

the state of DACA. I'm very excited to have this conversation with two just very amazing,

important people. Our first part of the conversation is with Jen Park, who made history becoming

the first DACA recipient to receive a Rhodes scholarship. And I really enjoy this conversation

so much with him about what it's been like to live having DACA in this uncertain times.

And in the second part of the conversation, we'll speak with Kamal Essaheb, who is the

director of policy and advocacy at the National Immigration Law Center about where DACA stands

right now, about where the different lawsuits that are making the way through the courts will

go and what a possible solution for dreamers might look like in the next year with Democrats

holding the House and what things might look like beyond that in 2020 when we hopefully

will have a different Democrat precedent. So I hope you enjoy this conversation.

So Jen, thank you so much for joining us today. I'm very excited to speak with you. We

first met in 2014 when you received the Assend Educational Fund Scholarship. And it's

been a real treat to watch you blossom and succeed in spite of all the shit that you've

had to go through. So it's really such an honor to speak to you on this conversation.

You've made history becoming the first DACA recipient to earn a Rhodes scholarship. And

so congratulations. Thank you. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But tell us a little

bit about your experience coming to the US at the age of seven from South Korea. What

were those first few years like you? Yeah, no, Julie said thank you so much. I think I was

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