Welcome to this special bonus edition of the Daily Signal podcast.

I'm Richard Ranch and today we'll be talking with Chris Dumuth of the Hudson Institute

about the national conservative movement that he is helping to lead.

Today I'm joined by Chris Dumuth at Distinguished Fellow at the Hudson Institute, long time present

of the American Enterprise Institute, veteran of Republican presidential administrations,

distinguished career in Washington and we're going to be talking about all things national

conservatism today. Chris I'm glad to have you on. Richard it's great to be here with you and

congratulations are in store. Congratulations are due to you for your distinguished career at Liberty

Fund and Law and Liberty and congratulations to the Heritage Foundation for snaring you.

This is a great move on their part and I know it's going to be a wonderful new association for both

of you. Well Chris thank you so much for that and of course recently in your career you have

become involved with a movement known as national conservatism and I look forward to discussing that

with you today. You've obviously had a long career in Washington working within the conservative

movement and all of its interesting elements and facets. What got you interested in national

conservatism you've been involved in their major conferences and the last conference you were

chairman of the conference so maybe talk about that. I think as the 2010s were beginning I was

seeing that there were new problems in American society that the conservative movement was not

addressing sufficiently in my in my long career within the movement I had seen

developments along the way that had seemed to me to be adverse that I'd argued against.

For example the centralization of the conservative movement in Washington there was a time

Richard as a Hoosier you may remember the old American spectator in Bloomington, Indiana

and the neo-conservative public interest in New York City and with the Reagan administration

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