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The New Yorker Radio Hour

What Is Happening in the Internment Camps in Xinjiang

The New Yorker Radio Hour

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

Politics, Arts, News, Wnyc, Books, David, Storytelling, Society & Culture, Yorker, New, Remnick

4.26.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2021

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In a special episode on the crisis in Xinjiang region of China, the staff writer Raffi Khatchadourian investigates Xi Jinping’s government’s severe repression of Muslim minorities, principally Uyghurs and Kazhaks. Accounts from a camp survivor and a woman who fled detainment show how, even outside the camps, life in the province of Xinjiang became a prison. The crisis meets the United Nations’ definition of genocide, and the U.S. State Department has also made that determination. With the 2022 Winter Olympics coming up in Beijing, what can the world do about Xinjiang?

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0:00.0

Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

0:07.3

Over the last few years, something terrible has been happening in China, in the northwest

0:12.6

province of Xinjiang, a thousand miles from Beijing.

0:18.1

The government has constructed a network of internment camps and has been imprisoning ethnic minorities

0:24.2

in huge numbers. Weiger and Kazakh people are rounded up for expressing their religion,

0:30.3

for speaking their languages. They're arrested on the merest suspicion of what China considers

0:36.0

disloyalty, and that's a very broad umbrella. At least a million

0:40.6

people have been sent to these camps. It's the largest attainment of civilians since the Holocaust

0:46.1

in Europe. The State Department has deemed it a genocide. And finally, the world seems to be

0:52.8

taking notice. The International Olympic Committee is coming under criticism

0:56.7

as human rights organizations call for a boycott of the Games

1:00.1

because of China's human rights record, including them.

1:03.6

You just talked to China's president.

1:06.0

Yes, for two hours.

1:07.1

What about the Uyghurs? What about human rights abuses?

1:10.2

We must speak up for human rights. It's who we are.

1:15.5

We're devoting our entire episode today to Xinjiang.

1:18.7

What's happened there and why and what the world can do about it.

1:22.8

I'm going to start with Rafi Khach Dori, a longtime staff writer at the New Yorker, who reported the story

1:28.5

surviving the crackdown in Xinjiang.

1:33.5

There's been a long history of repression in this part of the country. In Mao's time, especially

1:40.4

during the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese Communist Party attempted to solidify its control over the region by effectively diminishing the local culture and the institutions that support that culture.

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