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The Rich Roll Podcast

What Is “Clean Meat”? Paul Shapiro On The Future of Food

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2018

⏱️ 123 minutes

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Summary

“We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.” Winston Churchill Unbeknownst to most, animal agriculture is the number one culprit when it comes to almost every single man-made environmental ill on the planet. Untenable amounts of land, water and feed are required to raise the number of animals necessary to meet demand. Creating more greenhouse gas emissions than the entire transportation sector combined, our voracious appetite for meat and dairy products has produced the largest mass species extinction since the disappearance of the dinosaurs. Meanwhile, the primary driver of ocean acidification, water table pollution, rainforest devastation and a litany of other environmental abominations can be tracked to one primary source: our broken system of food production. Without a doubt, it's a system that's destroying human health, irreparably damaging the planet we call home and creating unspeakable suffering in the process. If we want to survive as a species, we need a new way forward. In my opinion, adopting a plant-based is the single most powerful and impactful thing you can possibly do as a conscious, compassionate consumer. It is the medicine that will prevent and reverse chronic lifestyle disease, preserve our planet's precious resources for future generations, and put an end to mass animal cruelty. Vegan has indeed gone mainstream. That's awesome. But let's not be naïve. The rate at which people are adopting a plant-based lifestyle can't begin to match population growth and its concomitant demand for cheeseburgers and milk shakes. 7.5 billion people currently share this spinning blue planet we call Earth. By 2050, that number will escalate to 9.7 billion. By 2100? 11 billion. How can we possibly feed 11 billion people sustainably? Ask my good friend Paul Shapiro, and he will give you a two-word answer: Clean meat. When Paul — a long-time vegan and mainstream voice for agricultural sustainability — took his first bite of “lab-harvested” meat in 2014, more humans had gone into space than had eaten real meat grown outside an animal. But according to Paul, the clean meat revolution is upon us — and it holds the potential to save the world. Just as we need clean energy to compete with fossil fuels, clean meat is poised to become a competitor of factory farms. Clean meat isn’t an alternative to meat; it’s real, actual meat grown (or more accurately, brewed) from animal cells, as well as other clean animal products that ditch animal cells altogether and are simply built from the molecule up. Today we talk about it. In addition to being among the worldʼs first clean meat consumers, Paul served as the vice president of policy engagement for the Humane Society of the United States, the worldʼs largest animal protection organization. Paul is also the founder of Compassion Over Killing, a TEDx speaker, and an inductee into the Animal Rights Hall of Fame. Enjoy! Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This is a nascent industry, this field of cellular agriculture that has the potential to address

0:06.8

many of the most pressing sustainability problems that we face as a species.

0:10.8

We ought to welcome it with open arms, we ought to encourage it, we ought to tout it, and

0:15.6

we ought to encourage those who have the capital to invest in it to help bring it to commercial

0:20.3

reality.

0:21.3

It's still too early to predict what's going to happen with the clean meat industry, but

0:26.6

it's one of the most hopeful solutions we have to one of the worst problems that we are

0:32.0

enduring.

0:33.0

And so, my hope is that anyone who is concerned about addressing climate change, our animal

0:39.1

cruelty, or environmental degradation, or food safety problems, will look at this with

0:43.9

an open mind and think, this is a cool, promising solution that deserves my support.

0:49.7

That's Paul Shapiro, this week on the Retroll Podcast.

0:56.6

Hey, everybody, how's it going?

1:08.8

What's the good news?

1:09.8

How are you?

1:10.8

My name is Rich Roll.

1:11.8

I am the host of this thing, this podcast, my podcast.

1:15.8

Come on in, spread out, relax, enjoy yourselves.

1:19.6

Happy to be here with you today.

1:20.9

Grateful to have you on board, but I will say I am a little bit melancholy today.

1:25.7

Inter does that, kind of puts me in this low-Eb emotional energy state, the cold weather,

1:32.2

even though I live in Los Angeles, I got nothing to complain about, I realize that, but it

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