From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat, and this is interesting times.

One of the defining features of the second Trump administration

has been the aggressive use of executive power

over the administrative state, over the global economy,

and potentially over and against the other branches of government.

Donald Trump is attempting a revolution in executive power, arguably unseen since the time

of Franklin Roosevelt, and one that whatever happens will probably leave the executive branch

dramatically changed. So we're going to talk today about where this push

is meeting the most resistance, but also where and how it might succeed. And I'm joined today

by a man with a lot of direct experience working on questions of executive power as the head of the

Office of Legal Counsel under George W. Bush, a president not

known for taking a minimalist view of executive power. Jack is now a professor at Harvard Law

School, and he's been writing eloquently about executive power throughout the entire Trump era.

Jack Goldsmith, welcome to interesting times. Thank you for having me, Ross.

So let's dive right in. In a recent essay just a few days ago, you wrote that Donald Trump is,

quote, taking a moonshot on executive power. So let's start generally. What does that mean and how is this administration

different from all other administrations? Sure. The Trump administration is pushing executive power

to unprecedented places in new ways on many dimensions. I'll divide it up into a couple. First,

vertically down through the executive branch, the administration has taken an unprecedentedly broad

view of the unitary executive. Maybe we can talk about that more later, but the basic idea

is that the president gets to completely control the executive branch, its decisions,

firings, interpretation of the law, that the president's views of the law prevail for the entire

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