Hello there and happy holidays.

Once again I'm the ghost of Christmas past here with another alternative political history.

This episode what would American history look like if Hillary Rodham Clinton had run

for president in 2004, where she was consistently the Democratic frontrun instead of 2008?

What if she hadn't become a Clinton at all?

That's the second version of this.

I'm joined now by the author of an alternative history book on that very topic, Curtis

Sittenfum, who wrote Rodham along with another piece of fiction based off of Laura Bush's

life called American Wife.

Curtis, welcome to our travel to Christmas past, future and alternative histories.

Thank you for having me.

So as I said, our first episode that we did, the alternative history was this.

Bill Clinton resigned in 1998, right?

You know, based on what we saw with Cuomo, you know, in that there is a, so what would

have happened and we go through Gore, we go through all these things and Jeff Greenfield

goes, hey, by the way, don't forget Curtis Sittenfum's book on Hillary because we were

talking about what would her future have been in 98.

That she instead of going to New York, does she go to Illinois and voila, that's where

we were started to talk about your premise.

Now, I'm, my premise had everything staying the same until 04, meaning Clinton stayed in

office and she just decided to run in 04.

In my series, that of all the three times she could have run for president, 04 might have

...