Welcome dear friends, it's America first, but it's one on one our opportunity to sit down and get to know our regular guests that little bit better and drive deep drive down on the key issues of the day.

And today it's a fabulous, fabulous guest we have with us, strong supporter, regular guest of America first, who's in studio again. He's left the free state of Texas to be with us.

He is senior fellow with the National Center for Public Policy Research also with a project 21, Horace Cooper. Welcome back to America first.

Well, thanks so much for having me back on. So we, you know, every time we talk to you, I could do it for hours. You are a clear thinker. You are a candid individual.

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Let's start at the beginning. Who is Horace Cooper? Where did he come from to be where he is today? Well, I don't know if that's a simple question, but I would say that I was born in Texas.

I am my mother and more importantly, my grandmother's grandson, Vergie Johnson was an amazing influence on my life.

And I, you know, my mother and father had a little something to do with everything, but she, because my brother and I got to spend summers with her, helped to instill in me a sense of independence, a sense of the importance of how we as individuals are stewards of our lives.

How we are responsible for what happens in our circumstances. And she had nine children. She was able to get seven of those children to graduate from college, three of those children, including my mother, get PhDs, and it helped really encourage the importance of education in our family and with me in particular.

And I went off to the University of Texas, learned everything there was to learn about left wing crazy nonsense. And I recommend it for your children if you want to really see if they're grounded, send them to a place like that.

If you haven't really done your work, I probably wouldn't send them to a place like that. And afterwards, I went to the one law school that I was interested in attending the George Mason School of Law.

It's now called the Antanan Scalia Law School. And I got a chance to then work on Capitol Hill. And in the administration of George W. Bush, I have had a tremendous number of opportunities to travel, see the world, read, and really, really learn how this great country was made just for people.

Like myself, and it has been such a remarkable experience. And I would say even people who were only briefly in this country look around and what you'll see is that America is the best possible lesson about how freedom, about how liberty, about how South government can work.

And Horace, sadly, with many of our black friends on America first, we hear this refrain again and again and again that it was my grandma, it was my grandpa in your case, it was grandma Vergie.

Why is that? Why is it that we see such a proclivity or a trend that a generation is skipped and the black youth in America seem to be in many cases brought out by their grandparents?

Well, I would say this, in my case, my parents married at an early age, and even having done so, my grandmother said, you still have to do your part, you still have to do the responsible things.

And that included, for my father, he was one of the few Americans who voluntarily signed up for the Army during Vietnam, and he shipped out.

And when he returned, I learned a lot about the importance of devotion to one's country, about sacrifice, and the life.

With regard to my mother, she started school, first undergraduate, then a master's, and then a PhD.

If you've got a family that you're also being a part of, you can't necessarily say, we're going to be done in about five, six, eight years.

It took a while, but my mother was determined, and she was able to get it done. And with my grandmother being willing to say, I'll take up some of the slack.

You can drop the kids off with me. Sometimes we stayed during the summers for a few weeks at a time.

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