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What Happens When Air Traffic Control Systems Go Dark?

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🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Recent outages at Newark airport highlighted the challenges facing air traffic controllers. What's the science underpinning air safety?

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0:00.0

Hey, this is Flor Lixman, and you're listening to Science Friday.

0:06.4

Today on the show, Inside the Air Traffic Control Tower, when things go wrong.

0:11.9

Anthony Bourdain wrote that being a chef is a lot like being an air traffic controller.

0:18.4

You're one second away from disaster.

0:26.5

Yeah. being an air traffic controller. You're one second away from disaster. You've probably read about the recent outages at the air traffic control center that directs

0:31.5

takeoff and landing for Newark Airport. At the end of April, radar went black for over a minute,

0:36.1

and then a week and a half later, it went down again briefly.

0:39.1

And Newark has caught back on flights in and out. Maybe your flights have been canceled or delayed as a result.

0:46.1

So it made us wonder, how does our air traffic control system work? How do air traffic controllers keep track of the planes in the skies and what is happening

0:55.5

when those systems fail? Here to field those questions and dive into the science of air traffic

0:59.8

control is Dr. Michael McCormick, who worked as an air traffic controller for 10 years and was

1:05.1

a vice president within the Federal Aviation Administration. He's an associate professor at

1:09.4

Emory Riddle Aeronautical University based

1:11.5

in Daytona Beach, Florida. Michael, welcome to Science Friday. Thank you, Florida. It's an absolute

1:16.1

pleasure to be here. Okay. As a former air traffic controller who used to work in the New York

1:22.0

airspace, when this news broke about the outages at Newark, what was your response?

1:29.0

Initially, as I heard about the alleges, I knew about the fact that the approach control services moved from Long Island to Philadelphia.

1:41.3

So I immediately thought something happened in that link, the cause that to Philadelphia. So I immediately thought something happened in that link that caused that to happen.

1:48.3

Tell me more. The approach control services for all the New York metropolitan airports are handled by a

1:55.0

facility on Long Island called the New York TRACON. Last summer, due to staffing issues at the New York Tracon, they moved

2:04.5

a portion of that I approached control from Long Island to Philadelphia, and then they had to link up

2:11.1

the equipment to provide the radar and radio at Philadelphia for the Newark Airspace.

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