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Before Trump was elected, he vowed to deport, I think it was a million people in a year.

You've been covering immigration for a very

long time. When you hear that number and you hear that time frame, does it seem realistic

to you or does it seem impossible given how hard and complicated it is to deport someone?

Yes. So I have actually like a very specific emotional intellectual response response to seeing that number. From a kind of purely logistical standpoint, that number is unrealistic. That does not mean I don't regard the vow to deport a million people a year as an incredibly dangerous, scary prospect for all kinds of reasons, not least of which is,

you know, the government's ambition, even in charging toward that number, is going to lead to all

kinds of abuses and already has. The other thing that's really striking that I think immediately

makes these kind of numerical quantifications of deportation numbers kind of hard to gauge when you

pan out and look at the historical context is typically a large share of deportation numbers, kind of hard to gauge when you pan out and look at the historical context is, typically, a large share of deportation numbers, when you look at them annually, have come from arrests and deportations at the southern border.

Those numbers have dropped pretty substantially. They were dropping in the final year of the Biden administration.

And now, since the Trump administration has taken over, they've, I mean, virtually gone to nothing, I mean, to levels I've certainly never seen before,

which means that when you see raw arrest and deportation numbers now, they may look the same or

slightly lower, say, than they were during the Biden administration. But that doesn't mean

that the kind of impact of them

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