What Dune Can Teach Us About Artificial Intelligence (Part 2)

Gom Jabbar: A Dune Podcast

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🗓️ 15 August 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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⁠⁠Abu⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Leo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ explore modern conversations about artificial intelligence through the ideas presented in Frank Herbert's Dune novels. They discuss the limitations of AI in generating new ideas, and how artificial intelligence lacks the emotional depth inherent in human artistry, raising ethical concerns about the use of artists' work without credit. Finally, they ask the all-important question: Is it time for a Butlerian Jihad? This episode contains SPOILERS for Heretics of Dune Get ad-free episodes and bonus content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/GomJabbar⁠⁠⁠⁠ Say thank you with a tip: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://buymeacoffee.com/gomjabbar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch video versions of select episodes: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@loreparty⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get yourself some custom-designed Dune swag: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.gomjabbarshop.com⁠ (00:00) Intro (04:16) LLMs and Other Memory (12:08) Can AI Come Up With New Ideas? (21:30) AI Lacks Imagination and Curiosity (31:27) AI Can Never Create Meaningful Art (49:35) AI Trained on Stolen Art (01:00:45) Do We Need a Butlerian Jihad? (01:12:03) Outro (01:13:58) Our Ideal Dumb Phone Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Today on the show, we are back.
0:03.0	Dear listener in the Dune-themed classroom, oh, there's a chairdog plushy in the corner.
0:08.1	Everyone, everyone is chugging Sappho juice.
0:12.0	And the professor, I'm pretty sure, is well on his way into turning into a worm over the next 3,500 years, give or take.
0:19.7	In other words, I'm exactly where I want to be. Welcome to Gomjabar, your guide to the iconic world of Dune.
0:45.6	We'll be exploring the themes, philosophies, and characters found in the sandy depths of this vast universe, from Frank Herbert's groundbreaking novels to the adaptations on film and
0:55.9	TV. My name's Aboo. My name is Leo. And folks, welcome back to part two of our discussion about
1:04.0	Dune and artificial intelligence and what lessons we can learn from Frank Herbert about our
1:10.1	relationship with technology today.
1:12.5	Yeah.
1:13.0	Now, before we get too far into it, let's make sure shout out MAPS is smile and ear to ear.
1:19.4	And let's take care of our housekeeping.
1:21.5	And first up, spoiler warning, today's episode contains, like the last episode, non-plot but light spoilers through Heretics of Dune.
1:31.9	So we just, for the best experience, especially because we're going to be referencing conversations that we had as part of our book club.
1:39.1	Just make sure you've caught up with our book club.
1:42.2	If you're up to date with the book club, you're good to go and should be in a good
1:46.2	place to enjoy the conversation today.
1:48.4	Absolutely.
1:49.6	Now, of course, up top, a huge shout out to our Cuisat's Hatterack level patrons, Daniel,
1:54.3	Dion and Seth Rodin Greer.
1:57.6	Folks.
1:58.5	Yeah.
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