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Hello and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots, the Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Isabel Harbman and I'm joined by Kate Andrews and Fraser Nelson.

Well, Joe Biden, late last night, British time, reacted to the attack in Kabul yesterday. Kate, he was in quite a strange mood, wasn't he?

Yeah, it was remarkable, really. On the one hand, you had a man who you could tell was in so many ways

heartbroken over the realities of what was taking

place and the deterioration in Afghanistan in real time.

And then on the other hand, you had a very stubborn character in front of you who was

completely unapologetic.

And all the Americans I've been speaking to back in the States, well, not all of them, but actually

quite a lot of them across political parties say that on some level at some point they've had

sympathy with the president throughout this process because let's not forget it was not so long ago

that both Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump were in agreement that it was time to leave Afghanistan.

This is a topic that has been uniting the Republican and Democrat parties for quite some time now.

But that something has happened along the way or many things have happened along the way that have lost Biden that sympathy.

And I think that really comes down to the operational aspect of all of this, that it's clearly been an utter disaster and Biden has no interest in taking responsibility for what's gone wrong.

I think that's going to become a lot harder and you started to see it in the press conference last night.

But now that 13 U.S. Marines have died during this evacuation, I mean, U.S. Marine has not died in Afghanistan,

I think, for over 18 months. It is just not possible to pin that, to pin those failures,

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