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Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

What Does Faith Look Like in a Season of Suffering?

Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

J.D. Greear

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9624 Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2022

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

This week, we dive into a short series taken from a recent sermon series Pastor J.D. did at The Summit Church on Psalm 23. First, Pastor J.D. answers: "What does faith look like in a season of suffering?"

Show Notes:

“The faith of desperation.” Job expresses this faith in Job 13:15, “Though he slay me, yet will I trust him.” God, I know you’re good. And I can’t understand what you’re doing but I know you’re working a good plan. And so even though everything around me is falling apart, I’m still going to trust that you are good. “Even though you slay me, yet will I trust you.”

Many people never make it to this stage. They live on the faith of propriety. And it makes them judgmental. When something goes wrong in someone else’s life, they think, “Well, I wonder what they did wrong?” Their marriage isn’t going well, and you think, “Well, they’re different behind closed doors than what we see of them.” Or their finances are a mess and you think, “Well, they must not be very good money managers,” or, "They must not be putting God first.” One of their kids starts to wander and you think, “I wonder what they did wrong in their parenting? Unlike me over here who is just killing it as a parent, which is why my kids are doing so well.” You think that way because you only know the faith of propriety.

But then God sends you through a Job chapter. And some people fall away, sadly. But others go on to develop the faith of desperation. It strips you of your judgmentalism and you say, “Though he slay me, yet will I trust him.” 

Is this where you are? Have you ever been forced to develop this kind of faith? 

Dallas Willard says, “Often God allows us to reach the point of desperation so we can learn how to trust. It is a hard lesson, but an essential one. The “life without lack” is known by those who have learned how to trust God in the moment of their need. In the moment of their need. Not before the moment of need, not after the moment of need when the storm has passed, but in the moment of need. For it is in that moment, when everything else is gone, that you know the reality of God.”

Is that where you are? 

Ah, but, believe it or not, there was still another level of faith for Job--it’s the faith of Psalm 23, and Dallas Willard calls it “The faith of sufficiency.”  

I used to think that the faith of desperation was the ultimate expression of faith, but Dallas Willard showed me there was a 3rd kind of faith, an even higher type, and it appears right at the end of the book of Job. It’s the faith that rejoices, sits silently and calmly, in the presence of the Shepherd.

You see, throughout the book of Job, Job has been protesting his situation before God. “God, I did it all right! I obeyed you! I put you first in my marriage, my parenting, my finances, and look what happened! When are you going to come through for me?” Throughout the book of Job, Job keeps saying, “I want to appear before God. I want to see God and talk to him face to face.” 

And so, at the end of the book of Job, God grants him that audience. Job sees God. He stands in his presence. And when that happens, Job says, “Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer you? “Vile” here doesn’t mean what we think it means. It doesn’t mean “nasty” or “evil.” A better translation of the word “qalal” there would be “insignificant” or “unworthy.” Because I am so insignificant, “I lay my hand over my mouth. Once I have spoken, but I will not answer; Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further” (Job 40:4–5).  Job says, “Seeing you, I see how utterly small-minded and unwise I am and how utterly sovereign and good you are.” 

Job continues: “(Before this) I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear (IOW, I knew the doctrines about you--I knew how to answer the theological questions--you are powerful and good),

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody. Welcome to Ask Anything. My name is Matt Love. And for the next few episodes on the

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podcast, we are going to do a little mini series that's going to actually tackle some questions

0:29.7

that Pastor J.D. answered in a recent teaching series through Psalm 23. This was a really,

0:35.5

really good series for our church. It was really challenging. It was really

0:39.3

encouraging. And in the middle of answering and going through this teaching series, Pastor Judy

0:44.0

answered some really challenging questions. So we thought it would be fun and helpful to go

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ahead and pull some of those out and share them with you here because we think they could be really

0:52.6

encouraging and helpful to you.

0:55.4

And so the question that J.D. is answering in this first episode of this miniseries is what does

1:02.0

faith look like in seasons of suffering? And that can be really challenging to figure out what

1:07.7

does it look like to have faith in Jesus, faith in God when things things are not going well. And so, when things are challenging and sad and hard. And so

1:15.6

Pastor J.D., going through Psalm 23, answered this question. I think it could be really helpful.

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So let's dive in with what does faith look like in a season of suffering. Let's call this

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Faith Kind number two, the faith of desperation.

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Job expresses the faith of desperation in Job 13, 15.

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One of my favorite verses in Job, though he slay me,

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though literally I do everything I'm supposed to do and he says, thank you and kills me,

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yet still will I trust him.

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God, I cannot understand what you're doing, but I know you're good.

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And so I know even though everything's falling apart right now, I'm still going to trust you that you're working a good plan.

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Though you slay me, I'm still going to trust you. This is working a good plan. Though you slay me, I'm still going to trust you.

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This is your Harry Potter moment.

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