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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots at Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Katie Balls and I'm joined by James Forsythe and Elizabeth Hardman. We had some news this morning, perhaps unsurprising news, in the sense that Boris Johnson has now cancelled his trip to India. It looked as though the Prime Minister might be forced into doing this. A few days ago, however, number 10 were insisting

it would go ahead. But with rising COVID cases and crisis in India, the Prime Minister has now said

it's not a sensible time to go. Isabelle, this is supposed to be a year of global leadership for

Boris Johnson's government, G7, and being one part of that as well as COP 26. But do you think this India

trip is an example of why that's just so hard to really do when we're still very much in a

global pandemic? Yeah, I think we're going to see a debate throughout this year about

Zoom diplomacy and whether or not it's possible to maintain at the very least relationships

like the important relationship that Boris Johnson wants to maintain at the very least relationships like the important relationship that Boris Johnson

wants to maintain between Britain and India, to do that remotely. And we've had a call today from

the Foreign Affairs Committee for more of the meetings at COP 26 to also be conducted over Zoom

using remote conferencing rather than face-to-face meetings in a

message about low-carbon negotiating. There's been a pushback from that saying, well, actually,

you know, a lot of the progress at these summits is made when you get countries that disagree with

one another together in the sort of the private meeting rooms

rather than these very stilted video calls that everyone's got used to over the past year.

But I think as everyone in the country is going through a debate about how much of their

job they can and should do remotely, you're going to see that over the next year because we don't

have a resolution to the pandemic yet, even though leaders are impatient to get back out on the

global stage, even though Boris Johnson has got a lot of relationships that he wants to build,

particularly following Brexit. I think that there is going to be this debate about,

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