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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the spectators' daily politics podcast.

I'm Cindy Yu and I'm joined by Katie Fools and Joseph.

So tomorrow is a spring statement and in the last 24 hours, it looks like there might be more movement

on the National Insurance Policy that Doreshi Seenak had introduced late last year.

Katie, tell us what we're hearing.

So I mean, I think there's the same complaints that we've had for months and then there's movement.

I'm not sure if that means it's actually moved.

Anyway, what we're seeing is an effort ahead of the chance of the spring statement tomorrow

by, you know, we're hearing of Cabinet Ministers who would like to see Doreshi Seenak.

Ditch it, this idea.

Five apparently.

Yes, though, I would also say at the time of the National Insurance rise,

there were probably at least five Cabinet Ministers reported to be against it.

So while you have the numbers, I think the strange thing about it in a way,

these stories is that because there's been such discontent over the National Insurance hike,

the fact that five Cabinet Ministers say only five,

Rishi Seenak initially didn't want to even do the social care planners

as we understand it when they were first discussing it.

When the Prime Minister was set on it, because he wanted to clear that NHS

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