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🗓️ 11 March 2025
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The North Pole looms large in our collective psyche—the ultimate Otherland in a world mapped and traversed. It is the center of our planet’s rotation, and its sub-zero temperatures and strange year of one sunset and one sunrise make it an eerie, utterly disorienting place that challenges human endurance and understanding.
Erling Kagge and his friend Børge Ousland became the first people “to ever reach the pole without dogs, without depots and without motorized aids,” skiing for 58 days from a drop off point on the ice edge of Canada’s northernmost island.
Erling, today’s guest, describes his record-making journey, probing the physical challenges and psychological motivations for embarking on such an epic expedition, the history of the territory’s exploration, its place in legend and art, and the thrilling adventures he experienced during the trek.
Erling also observes the key role that this place holds in our current geopolitical conversations. He is the author of the book After the North.
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0:00.0 | Scott here with another episode of the History and Plug podcast. |
0:07.7 | The North Pole is one of the most alien places on planet Earth, and also one of the least |
0:11.8 | well-known. It's a center of our planet's rotation, has had constant ice presence for almost |
0:16.3 | three million years, despite having no land at the north, and strange year of one sunset and one |
0:20.6 | sunrise makes |
0:21.3 | it eerie and an utterly disorienting place. For that reason, it's attracted envelope-bushy |
0:26.1 | explorers for centuries. One of them is early in Kagee, a Norwegian explorer who, along with his |
0:31.0 | friend Borges Auslin, became the first people to reach the pole without dogs, depots, |
0:35.5 | airdrops, or motorized aids, skiing for 58 days from a drop-off |
0:39.0 | point on the edge of Canada's northernmost island. In today's episode, Kakey is here to describe |
0:43.9 | his journey, suffering challenges like having to fight a polar bear, but we also discuss a history |
0:48.2 | of the North Pole itself. Starting 2.7 million years ago, when it became covered with ice, |
0:53.0 | jumping to ancient Greece when geographers |
0:54.9 | put forth theories of who lived there, and they envisioned a mythical land called Hyperborea, |
0:59.7 | a paradise where the sun never set, inhabited by people who lived in an internal spring, |
1:03.9 | then going to the heroic age of polar exploration, including Robert Perry, Roald Amudsen, |
1:09.1 | and then getting into the mechanical age, where |
1:11.2 | Richard Byrd, polar pilots, and others traverse this point. |
1:15.0 | Erling is the author of the book After the North Pole. I hope we enjoy this discussion of one of the |
1:18.9 | least understood places on Earth and our relationship with it across history. |
1:24.7 | And one more thing before we get started with this episode, a quick break for a word from our sponsors. |
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