It's Brian Larry Show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. I'm so happy to have with us now,

the journalist, author, and columnist, and podcast host, who you may know best as the former co-host of

all things considered, Michelle Norris. She is a Washington Post columnist these days, host of the

podcast, Your Mama's Kitchen, and has a new book out called Our Hidden Conversations, what Americans

really think about race and identity. The book is based on her years of listening to Americans called Our Hidden Conversations, What Americans Really Think About Race and Identity.

The book is based on her years of listening to Americans of all kinds in what Michelle has

called the Race Card Project.

Many of you have heard Race Card Project segments on the station or know that it started with

Michelle inviting anyone to submit six words, just six words, with your thoughts, experiences,

or observations about race, and maybe you followed her work in the Post or elsewhere.

Maybe you know the Race Card Project has won a Peabody Award, among many other accolades.

Just a few examples, Michelle has highlighted in the past, or I should say in the Washington Post,

to get your imagination going before we bring her on, six words each.

Reason I ended a sweet relationship.

Too black for black men's love.

Urban living has made me racist. It took 21 years to be Latina, was considered white until after

9-11. And I'm only Asian when it's convenient. Some examples of the six-word phrases that

Michelle has published in the Washington Post and in the book.

So let's talk. Michelle, so great to have you on. Congratulations on the book and welcome back to WNYC.

Thank you. It's great to be back here with you.

It's a good place to start that before the race card project, you never liked hearing people use the expression playing the race

card?

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