It's Brian Laird Show on WNYC.

Good morning again everyone.

I'm so happy to have with us now the journalist, author,

and columnist and podcast host who you may know best

as the former co-host of all things considered

Michelle Norris. She is a Washington Post columnist these days

host of the podcast, Your Mama's Kitchen,

and has a new book out called Our Hidden Conversations

What Americans Really Think about Race and Identity. The book is based on her years of

listening to Americans of all kinds in what Michelle has called the Race Card Project. years of with your thoughts,

thoughts, experiences or observations about race,

and maybe you followed her work in the post or elsewhere,

maybe you know the race card project has won a Peabody Award,

among many other accolades.

Just a few examples Michelle has highlighted in the past,

or I should say in the Washington Post, to get your imagination going before we bring her on six words each

Reason I ended a sweet relationship

to black for Black Men's Love. Urban living has made me racist. Took 21 years to be

Latina, was considered white until after 9-11.

And I'm only Asian when it's convenient.

Some examples of the six-word phrases that Michelle has published in the

Washington Post and in the book so let's talk Michelle so great to have you

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