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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm Lucy Dunn and today I'm joined by Tim Shipman and Isabel Hardman. Pay-rise demands are back on the table as BMA resident doctor

members voted this week for six months of strike action. But while West routineoutine resolved disputes just three weeks after Labour won its landslide victory last summer,

this time around the health secretary has put his foot down, telling doctors threatening to strike that the public won't forgive them and that he won't either.

It's about it was just last week that West Ruting and Keir Starma launched their 10-year health plan.

Now today that we're hearing that strikes will take place at the end of the month between the 25th and 30th of July.

Is it over-egging the situation to suggest that this round of industrial action that's being

suggested could throw the future of that entire health plan into doubt? I'm not sure in the sense

of the 10-year health plan in truth, because a lot of that is to do with the structures

and organisation of the NHS, which while doctors have a view on that and everything else,

it's not quite the same as the thing that the government is really relying on them to carry

out, which is reducing waiting lists and waiting times. And in fact, the 10-year plan and that ambition to

keep bringing the waiting lists down, those two things are in competition anyway. And the chances

are that the delivery of certainly the thing we talked about a lot on this podcast, the move from

acute to preventive community services, that will necessarily, even if ministers deny it,

take a backseat to keeping those waiting lists going down by the time of the next election

because the 10-year plan stuff will not be anything Kirstorma can really waive at the electorate

when it comes to the next election and his bid for them to give him another five years.

So, you know, it is still a critical issue for the government because if you don't have doctors in hospitals and you have

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