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Some secrets are kept in the basement.

Others in the morgue.

Welcome to Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske.

Featuring Defense Attorney and host of the podcast, Defense Diaries, Bob Mata.

And in terms of the three days of hearings that were held in July and early August,

wherein that was litigated whether or not they were going to be allowed to bring third-party

culprits in at trial.

And, you know, they went to great lengths, they being the defense, talking about Kagan Klein and his father, Tony.

They put on witnesses talking about, you know, this kind of confession that Kagan Klein had made,

that him and his father had driven out to the, you know, the bridge that day or the trails

and had driven and used that private access road and they were in this red Jeep.

And that his dad got out of the car and was out of the car for an hour and his dad came back bloody.

And that they left and that while they're crossing the Wabash River,

they threw a knife and a gun out or a knife and a phone out.

I mean, it was like it was insane.

And they went to like great lengths to get into that.

We obviously know about the Odin angle.

And they only mentioned Ron Logan, which like in retrospect surprised me in light of

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