Hi, I'm Gabby Dunn and this is Bad With Money.

A podcast about finances and feelings where we don't talk down to you and we're all learning together.

Today, we're going to get a little spiritual.

The topic of wellness and mental health is very, very white, very white.

Every time you hear about a wellness cult on a podcast or a TV show, it's almost always run by white people.

And that can go sour real fast.

So this week, we're going to delve into mental health and financial wellness for people of color and other marginalized people.

Specifically, black women like Patrice Washington, a mother who built her finances back up after disaster.

Patrice believes that there are so many factors beyond the money itself that impact your ability to be, quote-unquote, good with money.

It's a mental battle and how do we refuel our spirits?

Patrice Washington's Instagram and website and books have names like Seek Wisdom Find Wealth and Chase Purpose Not Money.

That's why she stuck out to me amongst all the people who I might want to be on this show or get emails from asking to be on this show.

I'm not the audience for this kind of spiel usually, like I don't read self-help other than maybe sometimes a Buddhist teacher's book

and to my hippie father's great chagrin, I don't meditate.

But I do like to have people on the show that have completely different approaches than I do.

And something stuck out to me about a spiritual approach to money.

Our second guest is the trauma of money, Shantal Chapman, who joins us to discuss how intergenerational trauma,

so slavery or the Holocaust or other genocides can have lasting impacts on our money scripts today.

Trauma of money is a compassionate approach delivered through online training that explores frameworks for healing collective and individual traumas to create financial safety and well-being.

This is according to their website.

I love Shantal's Instagram presence and the way it espouses nuance and anti-shame rhetoric.

So Patrice and Shantal, to me, both represent looking at money in a holistic wellness way, looking at money in a way that cleanses our spirits, that has to do with our minds and our emotions.

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