What is the value of me knowing and following these controversies,

let alone participate again?

Right. Like I felt that about the submarine, the submersible.

I tried to avoid it for so long.

And then I got, I mean, so long four days.

However, whatever the timeframe was, I then I finally got sucked in.

And I just remember I spent the whole day I found out just like deep breathing

because I was like, now I just know that turns out this wasn't the case.

I guess thankfully, but at that time,

the thinking was there are five people losing oxygen under the sea as we all spoke.

And I couldn't get that out of my brain.

And there was ultimately no reason for me to know anything about that.

I'm John Favreau. Welcome to offline.

Hey, everyone. My guest today is Kate Lindsay, writer of Embedded,

a phenomenal newsletter about internet culture.

I can't believe we haven't had Kate on the show yet.

She's reported about parents getting social media handles for their newborns

in the New York Times, content creators struggling to prove their human in the verge.

And she popularized the phrase millennial pause in the Atlantic.

A term I wasn't familiar with, but I'm apparently guilty of any of those pieces

could have made a great offline episode.

But we finally decided to reach out to Kate after she wrote a piece in bustle

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