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Hi, Mom. It's Joe. I hope you can hear me. I wish you could see me.

I'm so sorry. I wish you called me.

In the spring of 2022, Jordan Hope made the nearly nine-hour drive from Missouri to Minnesota to say goodbye

to their mother, who will be calling Donna. Donna's health had been declining and it had taken a sharp

turn when she'd lapsed into a coma. Joe's sister called and said, I think this is it.

I just want to see you one more time.

Well, I see you. I want you to see me.

I forgive you.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry that you were hurting so much.

I forgive you.

Okay?

Forgive you.

It had been a long time since Joe had spoken to their mother,

but even after years of near estrangement,

Joe still wanted to be by their mother's side at the end.

And I love you so much.

I just had to have boundaries of all. To take care of myself, too, you know.

But I never stopped thinking about you, wondering how you were, hoping you get better.

My life is really good, Mom.

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