Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the fiscal realities facing the United States, featuring an in-depth interview with Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Broadcasting from Washington, D.C., Clay and Buck engage with Senator Johnson on the pressing issue of federal spending, the national debt crisis, and the future of economic policy under the leadership of current President Donald Trump. This hour centers around the much-discussed “Big Beautiful Bill” currently navigating the U.S. Senate. Senator Johnson, a leading fiscal conservative, outlines the unsustainable trajectory of post-COVID government spending, emphasizing how emergency-level expenditures have become the new budgetary baseline. He contrasts historical fiscal responsibility—such as post-World War II spending reductions—with today’s entrenched budget inflation, highlighting a 58% increase in federal outlays since 2019. Key topics include: The transformation of discretionary spending into mandatory spending during the pandemic. The urgent need for a forensic audit of over 2,600 federal programs to identify waste and inefficiencies. The political and economic implications of Medicaid expansion and its unintended consequences, including crowding out care for vulnerable populations. The strategic importance of border security funding and the fiscal mismanagement surrounding immigration-related expenditures. The role of President Trump in shaping the bill and his interactions with Senator Johnson, including a candid exchange about the senator’s “too negative” messaging. The potential for reconciliation processes to further conservative budget reforms. The broader economic impact of inflation, interest rates, and the national debt, with projections of $14 trillion in interest payments over the next decade. The historical context of U.S. GDP growth, with a sobering reminder that the country hasn’t seen 4% growth since the 1960s. The potential for AI and technological innovation to drive future economic expansion, albeit with caution. Senator Johnson also critiques the lack of economic literacy among many in Congress and underscores the need for a cultural shift in how Americans view federal spending. He likens the current fiscal situation to a family living beyond its means, calling for a return to pre-pandemic spending levels and a long-term commitment to fiscal discipline.