Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask. Someone that has sex. Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Ellie Cawthorne. With their intricate white designs on delicate, coloured jasperware,

Josiah Wedgwood's ceramics are some of the most distinctive and recognisable objects of the 18th century.

But as a new book by the historian and director of the VNA Museum, Tristram Hunt, reveals,

the designer of these elaborate creations was not only a trend-setting potter, but also a canny business operator and a radical political

agitator. I spoke to Tristram to find out more. Can you start us off by introducing us to

Josiah Wedgwood and explaining why you call him the radical

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