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Wed. 02/12 – The First Big AI Legal Ruling

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Brian McCullough

News, Technology, Daily News, Tech News

4.7984 Ratings

🗓️ 12 February 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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The first big AI legal ruling has come down, and it might not be good news for AI startups. Apple launches its biggest health study yet. This one weird trick that tech companies are using to make their AI spending seem not so expensive. And Matt Levine on the whole Elon buying OpenAI thing.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Tech meme right home for Wednesday, February 12th, 2025. I'm Brian McCullough today.

0:08.6

The first big AI legal ruling has come down, and it might not be good news for AI startups.

0:13.5

Apple launches its biggest health study yet. This one weird trick that tech companies are using

0:18.0

to make their AI spending seem not so expensive, and Matt Levine on the whole Elon buying Open AI thing.

0:24.2

Here's what you miss today in the world of tech.

0:32.9

Thompson Reuters has won the first major U.S. AI copyright ruling against fair use in a case filed in May

0:39.4

2020 against legal research AI startup Ross Intelligence. Quoting Wired, in 2020, the media and

0:45.8

technology conglomerate filed an unprecedented AI copyright lawsuit against the legal

0:49.6

AI startup Ross Intelligence. In the complaint, Thompson Reuters claimed the AI firm reproduced materials from its legal research firm Westlaw. Today, a judge ruled in Thompson

0:59.0

Reuters' favor, finding that the company's copyright was indeed infringed by Ross

1:02.6

intelligence's actions. None of Ross's possible defenses hold water, I reject them all,

1:07.4

wrote U.S. District Court of Delaware Judge Stephanos Bibas in a summary judgment.

1:12.6

The Fair Use Doctrine is a key component of how AI companies are seeking to defend themselves

1:16.3

against claims that they use copyrighted materials legally. The idea underpinning fair use is

1:21.4

that sometimes it's legally permissible to use copyrighted works without permission,

1:24.6

for example, to create parody works or in non-commercial research or news production. When determining whether fair use applies, courts use a four-factor

1:31.9

test, looking at the reason behind the work, the nature of the work, whether it's poetry,

1:36.1

non-fiction, private letters, etc., the amount of copyrighted work used, and how the use

1:40.5

impacts the market value of the original. Thompson Reuters prevailed on two of the four factors,

1:45.0

but Bebas described the fourth as the most important and ruled that Ross, quote, meant to compete

1:49.7

with Westlaw by developing a market substitute, end quote. Now, worth noting that this is an AI tool that is

1:56.5

not generative, this was not an LLM. But James Gimmelman, an internet law professor, told Wired,

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