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Wealthy States Outsource Their Borders to Poorer, Indebted States / Heba Gowayed

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🗓️ 11 September 2024

⏱️ 108 minutes

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Heba Gowayed discusses her In These Times article, "Borders and the Exchange of Humans for Debt: Borders and debt are new instruments of violence in a system that has had many names." Heba is an Associate Professor of Sociology at CUNY Hunter College. She is author of, "Refuge: How the State Shapes Human Potential." "The Moment of Truth" with Jeff Dorchen follows the interview. Check out Heba's article here: https://inthesetimes.com/article/borders-exchange-humans-debt-asylum-global-south Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon: www.patreon.com/thisishell

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While the radio is playing

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talented love from a speaker of the love,

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it's a dig day, it's a city,

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and it's a dream.

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a dream to me now.

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Everyone. Everyone needs a place where they're always safe more kicking clouds against the storm and the

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storm and the ground in arms crime in the heart

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the right to go on.

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The right to go on. Picketer! This. This is hell.

1:17.0

manufacturing descent since 1996. This is hell and speaking of dissent.

1:29.2

Polls show that most Europeans believe there are too many immigrants coming to the European

1:35.6

Union nations. While most Europeans do not see immigration as a pressing issue that needs to be

1:42.0

prioritized over all else, accepting immigrants,

1:45.4

including refugees fleeing wars and climate change, which both have been enabled by

1:51.5

countries including those in the European Union.

1:54.0

Welcoming people fleeing disasters you have definitely had a hand in, creating and continuing,

2:00.0

is somehow, and I don't know how, a dissenting opinion in rich Western nations that can

2:06.2

definitely afford accepting refugees again, who the West played a role in making refugees

2:12.2

in the first place.

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But you might not be aware, like I was not aware, of how that very disturbing process of keeping refugees from

2:22.4

rich nations shores works on the front lines

2:25.6

of those fleeing wars and disasters. In the externalization of borders, which sounds like an oxymoron, how can borders be externalized?

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