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🗓️ 13 October 2022
⏱️ 51 minutes
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0:00.0 | These first two episodes of We Were Three are free, but to hear the whole series you'll |
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0:14.1 | And it's super easy. You can sign up through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. |
0:18.6 | And if you're already a time subscriber, just link your account and you're done. |
0:25.0 | When I went to Rachel's house to interview her for the first time, I had my notes and questions, a whole game plan, like I do. |
0:32.0 | Within half an hour, I gave up on all that. |
0:35.0 | We were sitting in her living room facing a big Christmas tree |
0:39.0 | covered in beautiful strange ornaments of insects |
0:42.0 | sent to her by friends and strangers, her brother Peter had raised |
0:45.4 | butterflies, and Rachel talked for six hours. |
0:50.3 | Peter had been dead less than two months. It was her first Christmas without him being alive. |
0:55.2 | Her first birthday is the sole remaining family member. Her birthday is Christmas Eve. |
1:01.3 | She just talked about her family, especially her brother. |
1:05.0 | People want so much to vilify his inaction, |
1:10.0 | and myself included in that, you know, and my brother was considered a villain. |
1:18.1 | They were like, oh my God, he should be busted for manslaughter, like back when he was still alive. She's talking about some of the responses she got on Twitter. |
1:25.0 | She wrote about how her brother hadn't gotten their father to the hospital when he was dying of COVID. |
1:30.0 | And you know, that's just how it is everywhere I get at. |
1:34.7 | The internet is what it is, but I just, he has been reduced to like this bumbling conspiracy theory riddled anti-Vaxer who just |
1:48.9 | sat by and watched his dad die and then he himself died and there are so many contributing factors to that. |
2:00.0 | The disinformation and misinformation, the whole swirl of The The swirl matters, it did real damage. |
2:13.0 | But for Rachel, it was nowhere near enough to come to a real understanding of her brother's death. |
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