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Serial

We Were Three - Ep. 2

Serial

Serial Productions & The New York Times

True Crime, News, Society & Culture

4.581.9K Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Rachel retraces how her family, over decades, fell apart and came back together.

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0:00.0

These first two episodes of We Were Three are free, but to hear the whole series you'll

0:08.1

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0:14.1

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0:18.6

And if you're already a time subscriber, just link your account and you're done.

0:25.0

When I went to Rachel's house to interview her for the first time, I had my notes and questions, a whole game plan, like I do.

0:32.0

Within half an hour, I gave up on all that.

0:35.0

We were sitting in her living room facing a big Christmas tree

0:39.0

covered in beautiful strange ornaments of insects

0:42.0

sent to her by friends and strangers, her brother Peter had raised

0:45.4

butterflies, and Rachel talked for six hours.

0:50.3

Peter had been dead less than two months. It was her first Christmas without him being alive.

0:55.2

Her first birthday is the sole remaining family member. Her birthday is Christmas Eve.

1:01.3

She just talked about her family, especially her brother.

1:05.0

People want so much to vilify his inaction,

1:10.0

and myself included in that, you know, and my brother was considered a villain.

1:18.1

They were like, oh my God, he should be busted for manslaughter, like back when he was still alive. She's talking about some of the responses she got on Twitter.

1:25.0

She wrote about how her brother hadn't gotten their father to the hospital when he was dying of COVID.

1:30.0

And you know, that's just how it is everywhere I get at.

1:34.7

The internet is what it is, but I just, he has been reduced to like this bumbling conspiracy theory riddled anti-Vaxer who just

1:48.9

sat by and watched his dad die and then he himself died and there are so many contributing factors to that.

2:00.0

The disinformation and misinformation, the whole swirl of The The swirl matters, it did real damage.

2:13.0

But for Rachel, it was nowhere near enough to come to a real understanding of her brother's death.

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