We Should Listen to Our Emotional Pain: An interview with Paul Andrews

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🗓️ 23 October 2024

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Dr. Paul Andrews is an Associate Professor of Evolutionary Psychology in the Department of Psychology, Neuroscience and Behaviour at McMaster University. His research focuses on understanding the evolution of depression, which he argues may be an evolved emotional response for understanding and solving complex problems. Dr. Andrews is also concerned with the evolution of the serotonin system and the effects of antidepressants on mental and physical health. His research has shown an increased risk of cardiovascular events, as well as death among those who use antidepressants.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Mad in America podcast, your source for science, psychiatry, and social justice.
0:14.1	Hello, everyone. My name is Brooks Seam, and welcome to the Mad in America podcast.
0:19.1	I am the author of May Cause Side Effects, and today I have
0:23.0	Dr. Paul Andrews, Associate Professor of Evolutionary Psychology in the Department of Psychology,
0:28.5	Neuroscience, and Behavior at McMaster University. His research focuses on understanding the
0:33.6	evolution of depression, which he argues may be an evolved emotional response for understanding
0:38.5	and solving complex problems. Dr. Andrews is also concerned with the evolution of the serotonin
0:43.7	system and the effects of antidepressants on mental and physical health. His research has shown an
0:48.9	increased risk of cardiovascular events as well as death among those who use antidepressants.
0:54.1	Paul, thank you so much for
0:55.6	joining us today. Well, thanks so much for having me on your podcast, Brooke. It's nice to be here.
1:01.8	I'm so excited to talk to you because I feel like when I came across your work, it put words to a lot of
1:08.1	things that I feel like I knew intuitively, but one didn't have any words for
1:13.3	and then also didn't know anyone was researching. And so I want to start with a quote from a writer
1:21.7	named Maggie Nelson. She came out with this beautiful book that I recently read called Bluets, and there was a line that
1:30.0	stuck out to me and it feels very, very appropriate to your work.
1:34.2	The quote is, it often happens that we treat pain as if it were the only real thing, or at least
1:41.4	the most real thing.
1:43.3	When it comes around, everything before it, around it,
1:47.2	and perhaps in front of it, tends to seem fleeting and delusional. So as an evolutionary
1:53.3	psychologist, taking that quote in mind, why do we feel pain? Wow, that's a really powerful
2:00.4	quote. I love it.
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