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The Indicator from Planet Money

We're nearing 'peak population.' These economists are worried

The Indicator from Planet Money

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🗓️ 1 July 2025

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Summary

Over the past century, the world's human population has exploded from around 2 billion to 8 billion. Meanwhile, the average fertility rate has gradually declined. And if that trend continues as it has, we may soon see a crash in the population rate, which some argue could have disastrous effects.

Today on the show, we talk to co-authors Michael Geruso and Dean Spears about their forthcoming book After the Spike: Population, Progress, and the Case for People. Together, they explain why you should care about declining fertility rates.

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0:00.0

NPR. Here are two seemingly contradictory truths about the people of planet Earth. The first is that

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over the past century, the world's population has exploded, going from around

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2 billion people to 8 billion people today. Truth number two is even as the Earth's population

0:29.2

has boomed, the average fertility rate has declined. And if things keep going that way,

0:35.1

a few decades from now, the world's population will actually

0:37.9

start to shrink. And just as the world's population spiked in recent centuries, it could also

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crash. And our guests today say that we're living near the very edge of this crash.

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This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Adrienne Ma. Today on the show, our guests are

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economists Dean Spears and Mike Jerusalem. They've Adrienne Ma. Today on the show, our guests are economists

0:54.4

Dean Spears and Mike Jerusalem. They've co-authored a forthcoming book called After the Spike,

1:00.3

Population, Progress, and the Case for People. And when we come back, they'll explain why,

1:05.6

population-wise, the human party will soon peak, and why that's a problem.

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For economists who study population growth and decline, the fertility rate is a very important metric.

1:25.7

The fertility rate is the average number of children a woman

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has in a lifetime. And here, two is kind of the magic number. That's what demographers call

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the replacement rate. And when the global fertility rate falls below two for long enough,

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that leads over time to something called depopulation. Depopulation is the name for what happens when birth rates are low enough that the population shrinks,

1:49.0

decade by decade and generation by generation.

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This is Dean Spears, an economist at the University of Texas at Austin.

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And while fertility rates vary from country to country,

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on a global scale, they've actually been declining

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for centuries. And in fact, the vast majority of people on Earth today live in a country where

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