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Evan & Tiki

WBC Drama: Judge, McLean, and the Pressure of Big Moments

Evan & Tiki

Audacy

Sports

4.2988 Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2026

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

With Team USA set for a high-stakes World Baseball Classic matchup, the conversation turns to what really matters in baseball—winning, legacy, or pure entertainment. The hosts break down the appeal of facing Venezuela, the excitement around rising talent like Nolan McLean, and the ever-present spotlight on Aaron Judge, questioning how much pressure truly defines greatness. They dive into the complicated expectations placed on stars, the idea of “clutch” performance, and whether moments in the WBC carry lasting weight. From David Wright’s “Captain America” legacy to debates over fan hypocrisy and how much these games actually mean, the episode blends passion, skepticism, and humor while exploring how players and fans differently value the biggest stages.

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0:00.0

I think this is a more appealing matchup. I think this is a sexy matchup. And so I guess it shows you the difference in my passion for Team USA winning versus the Mets. Like with the Mets, I'm always going to root for the lesser opponent. I don't care if it's appealing or not. But with this, with this World Baseball Classic, while I want my country to win and I'm rooting for them, and I've got my scorebook already filled out and ready to go, I want to be entertained. And so I think

0:24.0

then as well as to win and I'm rooting for them and I've got my scorebook already filled out and ready to go.

0:21.3

I want to be entertained. And so I think Venezuela serves as a more appealing opponent tonight. The atmosphere will be electric. And I'm very excited to see Nolan McLean. And here's the way I would phrase it. First, let's put them in the window seat. And the window seat, of course, is brought to you by Window Ram, receive up to 40% during the winter warm-up sale.

0:39.6

I think with Aaron Judge, the Yankee

0:42.3

fan and the non-Yanky fan has preconceived notions about him. He's clutch. He's not clutch.

0:46.9

Like, they all want to fight over that. Yeah. With Nolan McLean, we don't know yet. Like,

0:51.7

he was great last year, but it was only eight starts.

1:12.0

And some of those moments were certain clutch, you know, shutting down the Philadelphia Phillies a few times. I would say it's clutch in the middle of August when the Mets are desperate for wins. But we don't know Nolan McLean's legacy yet. It still needs to be written. This is his rookie season coming up. So I kind of view the pressure stuff with Nolan McLean as more I'm interested.

1:47.9

Like if he got bombed tonight, I know guys like Sean would be jerks about it. Yeah. But it wouldn't change my excitement of Nolan McLean. It wouldn't change what he can be because I think he's still so new. He's he's fungible, if that's the right word. So I'm excited to watch him. And if he goes out and pitch us five schoolist things, I'll be damn proud not only as an American, but as a Met fan. But I don't feel the pressure of, oh, my God, he got bombed. He let the country down. And Sean's going to make fun of me. I just don't feel that. Well, I mean, I hear what you're saying about Judge, because it seems like every big moment you look for aaron what does aaron judge do

1:45.2

and if he does something great it's like of course he's supposed to do that he's right he's great and if he doesn't it's like well he sucks because he's he's just non-clutch he's in a no-win situation whereas nolma clack has said that and i think he's been spot on that judge is unfortunately in a no-win situation or this tournament. Right. I mean, he's

2:00.7

mighty Casey. So it's just like

2:02.9

it's one of those things. So it's just what

2:04.8

it's just like it's one of those things. So it's just what it's it's I feel like Aaron Judge is, I don't think it bothers him though. That's my point. Like I don't think he is moved by what we think about him in big moments. He's still going to try to be great in big moments.

2:19.5

And sometimes he'll come through.

2:20.8

Sometimes he won't because that's baseball, right?

2:23.8

Yes.

2:24.5

You fail 70% of the time and you're still really good.

2:27.3

And for Team USA in this case, Yankees obviously in most regular cases,

2:32.8

you just hope it's not a critical moment.

2:35.0

You know what I mean? You hope it's not bottom of the ninth inning with two on and down by one. Well, I mean, let's say it's a home run and he walks it off for the Team USA. There's still going to be questions about Aaron Judge in October. Like, it's not going to change that. Yeah, but I don't think we're thinking about October. we're thinking about right now and the team USA might need a clutch moment.

2:53.7

Aaron Judge is better provided. He's not going to change that. Yeah, but I don't think we're thinking about October. We're thinking about right now and the team USA might need a clutch moment.

2:53.7

Aaron Judge is better provided.

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