This is Hidden Killers with Tony Brewski.

You can learn a lot about someone, not just by what they say, but you know, how they say it and why they say it.

In the Karen Reed case, prosecutors are digging deep into behavior, encrypted messaging, secret calls, selectively leaked evidence,

and a controversial alliance with a blogger known for online warfare, basically. Their argument

that this was a strategic calculated attempt to pressure witnesses and shape the narrative

outside of the courtroom. But when you strip away the headlines, what does the behavior

actually tell us? Is this the panic of an innocent person backed into a corner, fighting for

their life, doing whatever they think they need to do? Or are these calculated moves of someone trying to out-maneuver justice, thinking they're smarter

than the rest of the room?

Robin Dreek, retired FBI Special Agent, Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis

Program with us.

Robin, based on what you've seen so far in all of this. Do the alleged actions of Karen Reed suggest

consciousness of guilt or just someone who thinks she's smarter than the system?

Yeah, I never get a sense of whether it indicates guilt or innocence in this case just because

it's really complicated in the sense of no one remembers

anything. Aging was all involved. But I think the greatest thing it shows us is her. You know,

this is a life pattern of how she deals with problems, how she deals with life in general. She deals

with a lot of attempt of control, a lot of chaos, a lot of unhealthy relationships, and a lot of

noise around her. And so it's very hard for individuals to kind of have and set for themselves

a clear path forward to solve problems when you're creating half the problems for yourself.

You know, she has this inability, as we've said numerous times, to have a loving

critic in her life. Now, granted, I thought about that really hard, too. Loving critics are these

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