I'm Mike Allen, co-founder of Axios. We're talking today to Sam Altman, co-founder and CEO of OpenA.I.

We're talking about super intelligence, the models that they have coming, and what DC and you need to do to get

ready. The companies developing this and the government have to work extremely closely together.

I don't think this works as like a standard or a company and you're the government. There's going to

have to be very, very deep partnership here. But that's not happening now. Well, we're trying,

I think we're working very closely with the government. How far are we from super intelligence?

How far are we from AGI, artificial general intelligence, human-like capability? We're close enough

to AGI that the precise definition matters. Some people would say we're already there.

Some people would say we're not there yet.

We're quite far along.

Like this is, we are in a new, a new paradigm here of some sort.

So Sam, in your new industrial policy, you're saying as vividly as you ever have, and in this interview, you're saying as vividly as you ever have that AI will transform every aspect of our lives.

Why should people trust you to be at the forefront of it?

And the most fundamental part of what it means to be human, that's not going to transform at all.

And I think society may change in a lot of ways what it means to be a, you know, what it means to be a person,

what it means to have a fulfilling life, how we choose to spend our time, what we really want.

We'll have more flexibility and more ability to achieve and to have a fulfilling life.

I think that's pretty deep and that's not going to change.

A lot of other things about the economy, the way society works, those may change a lot.

It's Easter Monday, 6 April, Year of Alert, 2026. Mark Beale joins us. Joe Allen has got a few

minutes before. He's got a bolt. Joe, we're fighting a war, Joe, as you know, we spend a lot of

time on this now for the last 30 days in the Middle East. We talk geopolitics, geopolitics,

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