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I'm Josephine Casselli and today a hidden piece of Indonesia's history.

I'm talking to Nancy Iskandar, who was a leader of

Indonesia's transgender rights movement in the 70s and 80s. I met her at her office in Jakarta. In Jakarta. When I was at junior high school, whenever I could, I'd still the opportunity to put on makeup.

Nancy grew up as a boy in Indonesia in the 60s, but as she became a teenager,

she started to feel more like a girl.

My father was from the military.

My father was from the military.

When I was 13 years old, my parents tortured me because of my deviant behaviors that

they thought were embarrassing, but my desire to be more feminine didn't die, it only burned brighter.

But Nancy felt completely ostracized from society.

She couldn't get a regular job and people would call her Banshee.

It was a slur used to denigrate transgender women.

And how did you feel when people use this term Banshee to describe you?

Yes, I was upset, yeah?

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