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Today we're going back to the Chinese city of Nanjing, previously called Nan King, during the Second World War.

The Japanese invaded in 1937 and committed a terrible massacre, often known as the rape of Nanjing.

To the fury of many Chinese, one of their national heroes then collaborated with the Japanese. That man's name was

Wong Wei and he is synonymous with the word Khranjian, a label reserved for traitors to China, but not everyone holds that view.

For some people, he's a national traitor, but for the people in the occupied area in Nanjing he was our savior.

This is Panja Shen. He was born in 1933 and lived through the Japanese invasion.

So how could he regard China's most infamous traitor as a savior?

To find out, we'll have to go back to Pan's childhood in 1930s Nanjing.

Back then China was very agricultural and we lived in a peaceful community.

I really liked our neighbors. They always helped my family

whenever we needed it and on Chinese Year, we would visit them to celebrate.

We'd eat a huge banquet with chicken, duck, and fish. As a kid, I loved it because they gave me the small red envelopes with some money inside for good luck in the new year.

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