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We Can Do Hard Things

Walking Our People Through Hard Things with Kate Bowler

We Can Do Hard Things

Glennon Doyle & Audacy

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.8 • 41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 December 2021

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

1. What we should STOP saying to people who are struggling—and what to say, or do, instead. 2. How Kate received the support she needed because people were willing to embarrass themselves in their attempts to show up—and why we shouldn’t be scared of doing it wrong. 3. Kate offers some words to a Pod Squader feeling anticipatory grief—and how to accept that we can’t always make it okay for the people we love. About Kate: Kate Bowler, PhD is a New York Times bestselling author, podcast host, and a professor at Duke University. She studies the cultural stories we tell ourselves about success, suffering, and whether (or not) we’re capable of change. She is the author of Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel and The Preacher’s Wife: The Precarious Power of Evangelical Women Celebrities. After being unexpectedly diagnosed with Stage IV cancer at age 35, she penned the New York Times bestselling memoir, Everything Happens for a Reason (and Other Lies I’ve Loved) and her latest, No Cure For Being Human (and Other Truths I Need to Hear). Kate hosts the Everything Happens podcast where, in warm, insightful, often funny conversations, she talks with people like Malcolm Gladwell and Anne Lamott about what they’ve learned in difficult times. She lives in Durham, North Carolina with her family and continues to teach do-gooders at Duke Divinity School. Book: No Cure for Being Human: (And Other Truths I Need to Hear) Instagram: @katecbowler Twitter: @KatecBowler To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome back to We Can Do A Few Hard Things, maybe on our best days.

0:18.0

With our dear friend Kate Boller, who is the only one we can trust to tell us the truth.

0:24.0

So if you haven't listened to Tuesday's episode, go back and listen one of my all-time favorite,

0:30.0

not just podcasts but conversations of my life.

0:34.0

We're going to jump in Kate with, we're going to call this, yes please or no thank you.

0:42.0

This is actually from Europe index, from everything happens for a reason.

0:46.0

And it's just you wrote us a beautiful resource on things we, basically shit we should stop saying to people who are struggling.

0:53.0

But then you generously offer us shit we can say instead.

0:57.0

Okay.

0:58.0

But helpful.

0:59.0

I tried.

1:00.0

I tried.

1:01.0

I was actually in a family gathering and I someone said something and I got really mad and I went into another room and I wrote this list.

1:06.0

So origin story.

1:08.0

I'm full of rage.

1:09.0

Yes.

1:10.0

And rearrange is so creative.

1:12.0

It's love creative rage.

1:14.0

Okay.

1:15.0

Kate, how about this when, when someone tells us about something painful that happens in their life, should we start the next sentence with well at least?

1:25.0

Yes.

1:26.0

Never, never.

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